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Post by Larry63r on Aug 3, 2006 2:48:52 GMT -5
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Post by nielsenracing482 on Aug 3, 2006 11:17:50 GMT -5
How do you think of this stuff?
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Post by Preston 915 on Aug 6, 2006 9:20:03 GMT -5
Honestly
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Post by mxrules on Aug 6, 2006 12:35:49 GMT -5
He is an electrician and has been Zapped way too many times!
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Post by Mr Moto on Aug 6, 2006 17:22:44 GMT -5
Scary, but true
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Post by Larry63r on Aug 7, 2006 2:20:28 GMT -5
I have only taken 277v across the heart once in 22 years. Yes, it hurts!
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Post by mxrules on Aug 7, 2006 12:56:05 GMT -5
That all it took Larry! Has anyone seen Larry's hair? The 277v is still trying to get out of his body. Don't shake his hand, I did and 24v's of it. Just kidding Larry! Hey thanks again for helping me with the tire a few weekends back. Maybe someday we will be able to race each other again. Mark
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Post by tony on Aug 7, 2006 21:13:47 GMT -5
That must be it!
I work with electricity in my job daily as well and I get zapped all the time. It's not so bad when you aren't expecting it, those times though when you know your going to get hit with it before you do what you have to do are the bad ones. The anticipation of knowing your going to get shocked is worse than the shock itself. I guess that holds true with alot of situations you run up against in life for everyone. Just do it and get it over with, don't allow yourself to suffer too long through the anticipation of anything your not looking forward to.
Mark, Not to get too technical on your joke, but it's not the voltage that hurts, it's the current in that voltage. I grab into 240V 3 Phase all the time, sometimes just to quickly see if a circuit is getting power. As long as your not the most direct source to ground or the oposite polarity it actually doesn't hurt dispite what you were raised to think as a kid. At worse, it may make your arm or your hand fell a little numb like when a body part "falls asleeep" on you. You'll feel a tingle, but it's realy not normaly as tramatic of an experience as caution would otherwise leave one to expect.
I've been hit by 10,000V capacitors that, sure, they sting when it happens, you know you grabed it if your body isn't the direct source to ground. I know many of TV Techs who made that same foolish mistake and blew fingers off while working on TV's that weren't even plugged into the 120V wall outlet just from touching a capacitor circuit while the only direct source to ground happened to be a body part.
I make this point for a matter of safety. Don't let the amount of voltage ever fool you into thinking your safer, it's the amount of current that kills you. Any 24V circuit is being fed by either a step up or step down transformer since 24V is very common but doesn't ever exist just on it's own. In commercial equipment it's common to have 240V feeding into a 24V output Transformer. While I'd reluctantly touch the 240V side of that transformer with my bare hand, there's no way I'd ever touch the 24V side of it with even a screw driver if it was a good quality transformer reducing the voltage. Keep in mind, when your dropping that voltage your also increasing that current. When you take 240V and drop it to only 24V your putting out a potential for one heck of alot of current, very deadly stuff there! On the other hand, if you started with say 24V and ran it through a step up transformer to generate 240V out of that original 24V you'd end up with a much higher voltage, but almost no current, you could just about touch your tounge across that 240V and feel little more than slight discomfort, or satisfaction, depending on your threshold or desires.
Myself, I kind of like getting a tingle here and there, it reminds me I'm alive.
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Post by mxrules on Aug 7, 2006 21:29:54 GMT -5
Tony, I was trying to keep it simple! To tell you the truth Voltage does mess you up also. Current kills but voltage will do a number also. That is why Stun guns work so well without killing people. It zaps you where you can not move a single muscle for a while. Voltage / Current - It all sucks!
I = E/R, E = IxR, R = E/I
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Post by tony on Aug 7, 2006 23:49:22 GMT -5
Stun guns don't get you with the voltage, again they get you with the current. They market them per voltage, but it's a misconception. If you'd like to test this theory I could rig up a 24V stun gun and test it on you vs. a 30,000V stun gun and leave you to tell all of us which one was more enjoyable to be hit by.
If you managed to live through my 24V stun gun you'd certainly agree that 30,000 Volts wasn't anything in comparison.
I seriously do get shocked every day, trust me and take the word from a person who gets electricuited regulary what they'd sooner be shocked by when they tell you such.
Don't take 24Volts for granted.
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Post by Mr Moto on Aug 7, 2006 23:51:17 GMT -5
Better to spray lead than use a stun gun.....how lame!
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Post by tony on Aug 8, 2006 0:26:46 GMT -5
Spraying lead also causes you the expense of having to replace your carpet.
Don't get me wrong, I love guns! With a passion even. Despite my being a Democrat you'd be further amazed in the concept of things.
Layne, for once I caught you sleeping at the wheel on this one.
Your thinking old school, don't bring a knife to a gun fight stuff here.
Gone are those days and welcome to the year 2006 where you don't bring a gun to a knife fight.
Actually, in the year 2006 you don't bring anything to any fight that could draw blood because you immediately put yourself in a bio hazard situation when you do so, this includes guns and knives! It further includes any former means of defense like your fist or even a baseball bat.
99% of the people this day in age who are going to bum rush and break in through the front door of you suburbanite casa are going to be drug users. The majority of drug users are going to be this day in age HIV infected not because of needles but because they are all doing the nasty with the same Sally Wrotten Turf who's doing all of them for the sake of free drugs and its a given one of "them" are currently HIV infected.
So when you "lead" the guy for bum rushing your home, be it a 9mm or a 12 gauge for effect, you instantly turn the entire casa into a biohazard site because hoss has his infected brains spread evenely across your walls, and at close range also across your own pretty face.
He didn't kill you that night, but he kills you in the end due to the HIV infection you spatered yourself with.
In 2006 it's not better to spray lead, unless you have the patience to wait for the guy to do his busines in your house, which would likely include his having his way with your wife before he steps back out into the street and his HIV infected spater will run semi safely down the drain of your your nearest man hole cover for the city sewage system.
This day in age, you'd still be likely to to be stuck with a law suit from your nieghbors though. If not for firing a gun within city limits, but for the biohazard mess you left as a result here of when the SOB's finishes ran down the local storm drain.
Incapasitate them with a stun gun, tie them up and brutily torture them waiting for the police to arrive. When they get out of jail 3 days later the last place they'll ever want to come back to will be your casa. Rope, a coat hanger and a Bic lighter will run you about $3. Wiegh that against what a HAZMAT team will cost you to come in and disinfect your front wall from the results of lead spatter.
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Post by beaupre716 on Aug 8, 2006 1:46:11 GMT -5
(semi-nauseated silence)
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Post by tony on Aug 8, 2006 2:19:27 GMT -5
Robert, thats exactly the kind of attitude that will get you electricuted and dead.
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Post by Larry63r on Aug 8, 2006 2:48:22 GMT -5
In Rancho we use a 12 gauge with 00 buck. When you blow their legs clean off in your doorway they don't come back and you can wash down the front steps with your power washer and some Honda bright.
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