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Post by 825 on Jan 31, 2014 22:37:52 GMT -5
Can't you all just put the bad blood behind you and work together for one season. I mean really if you all want the moto scene to grow it shouldn't be that hard to do. It could be an amazing year for the area.
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Post by mccordracing on Jan 31, 2014 23:06:09 GMT -5
One thing I would like to see is progression. I like what Tim has going on at 28. One thing that bothers me is when we do race over here they cut the track for the 50 jr/int. in Cali they let them ride the whole track and we get our more for our money. I understand that the peewee beg. benefit from a smaller track so the parents can help out, but once you make the jr class you should be able to ride the whole track. At the last othg practice they did this and there was no problems and the kids loved it. It would also help with scoring issues because the race gets more spread out. If you have watched some of these kids they can turn faster laps than some of the vet classes. So my answer to the question is more racing and a better product. The reason we go over the hill is for the product. Oh yeah there is no reason why you cant trophy the top three in the kids class everytime you already purchased the trophies and it isn't going to bust your bottom line and it gives the kids confidence and makes them want go race.
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Post by JP 61s on Feb 1, 2014 18:51:33 GMT -5
Hey all you doom and gloom guys (My friend Larry included) here's a couple of facts to consider. The economy is on the up swing. Dirt biking has always been expensive. There are risks when riding or racing dirt bikes. Bikes keep getting better. Jumps keep getting higher and longer. The majority of riders are young. Track owners cater to the majority, they have to to stay open. As a senior rider/racer I have to motor over the hill to race (Old Timers racing) but I'm not ready to give it up yet. So, like me you guys will have to dig deep and go where the racing is or just learn to live with the status quo. This thread has been on this site in one incarnation or another for years and nothing has changed. P.S. to the 53 Y/O racer I'm 71 and I think all the tracks in this area are safe, yes sometimes ya gotta just suck it up and twist the throttle and it's a bit scary but what's life without a challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 22:56:03 GMT -5
Tim, what exactly is considered "local" racing to you? Club 775 and SMRA have races only in Stead and Fernley, with one race in Winnemucca, how is that not considered "local?" If you hadn't burned so many bridges, maybe more people would be willing to work with you? Your way of thinking is why your so- called LOCAL series is dieing, whoever you are? I work with a lot of people I do not like, simply because its not about 1 or 2 people. It's about the racing community. 2 out of 6 races out of town is 30%. 30% of the money spent out of town is a large amount of money, I'm guessing somewhere around 20k in practice and entry fees, not to mention food, fuel and taxes paid outside of Lyon, Washoe and Storey county. The very counties that support our local tracks with GRANTS, permits and liabilty!! Im sure Lyon county would be extremely dissapointed to find out that you are supporting hotel stays in your LOCAL SERIES in Winnemucca. Do the Math, #'s dont lie!!Wake up, work together, put your BS aside that has nothing to do with the racers. The bigger the LOCAL series the more suppport we will get from GRANTS like LYON county has given Jeremiah Brown to support LOCAL events in LYON COUNTY.
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Post by Larry63r on Feb 2, 2014 23:36:21 GMT -5
I was at Prairie city again Saturday. They had a whopping 32 vehicles in the parking lot at the hangtown track! As for the economy being on the up swing. Tell that to the over 500 electricians on book 1 in my local. I am sure they would disagree.
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Post by screen78 on Feb 3, 2014 1:30:24 GMT -5
"Your way of thinking is why your so- called LOCAL series is dieing, whoever you are?" Right because the "RMA" series has been such a huge success. You have races all year long. "I work with a lot of people I do not like, simply because its not about 1 or 2 people. It's about the racing community." No its all about YOU, and nobody else, and there are many that will agree. "2 out of 6 races out of town is 30%. 30% of the money spent out of town is a large amount of money, I'm guessing somewhere around 20k in practice and entry fees, not to mention food, fuel and taxes paid outside of Lyon, Washoe and Storey county. The very counties that support our local tracks with GRANTS, permits and liabilty!! Im sure Lyon county would be extremely dissapointed to find out that you are supporting hotel stays in your LOCAL SERIES in Winnemucca. Do the Math, #'s dont lie!!" I wasn't ONLY talking about SMRA races as I stated before, so the percentage is definitely lower than what you're saying (you know, just doing the Math), and I see they added another Winnemucca round. Yes, shame on the Winnemucca crew for being a part of SMRA , and making all us racers drive so far away, and spend all sorts of money on race entry fees in Humboldt county. At least Humboldt county is in the state, and our money is spent in the state. I also forgot that ONLY Lyon, Washoe, and Storey county are the ONLY counties struggling these days in Nevada . I wonder if Lyon county is really disappointed that I stay in Reno, at my house, instead of staying at a Fernley "hotel" on race day? "Wake up, work together, put your BS aside that has nothing to do with the racers." Right… this is the same BS you spew AFTER you bash SMRA. Look back at the last 3 or 4 race series, and all you do is whine about SMRA, and then a week or 2 later you're like "we need to work together you guys."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 9:54:29 GMT -5
Screen 78,
I welcome your debate. However; clearly you dont run a track or have a clue about economics. The OTMX is bankrupt because of your excact way of thinking. By sending races out of town you bankrupted a local non profit. The proof is in the #'s. They didnt cancel there race because of the smoke, they cancellled the National because they couldnt afford it.
The RMA is responsible for the dealer challenge, one of the most succesful race series's in our area to date. The rule book has been developed by the best race minds in NorNV. It takes the rules from SMRA,AMA and MXWEST. We spent a lot of time focusing on what was best for the racers.
Exit 28 will be running the RMA this year and we welcome all racers and any local tracks to join us. All arguments aside.
Exit 28 season passes go on sale this week, Get your FAST PASS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by gregg86n on Feb 3, 2014 22:36:24 GMT -5
Sierra Motocross Racing Association has been and always will be about NORTHERN NEVADA motocross racing. After all, we call the fall series the Nevada State Championship Series. Winnemucca has been a staple in northern Nevada racing for many years. Its a great track ran by a great group of people. We at SMRA stand behind Winnemucca 200% and always will. Winnemucca has always been one of my favorite tracks. I've had some of the best times out there. What Tim doesn't realize is that many racers from Battle Mountain, Carlin and Elko rely on that Winnemucca race. We will never abandon them. I hope the racers on that side of the state will visit their local shops to gear up and attend our race. I have been a Nevada Old Timer for about 12 years now and Tim couldn't be more wrong about them. They are still alive and well. They have passed the torch of track operations in Fernley to Club MX775 that will lead Fernley into the future. AND I THANK THEM FOR STEPPING UP!!! And there's things are in the works that will blow your mind. See you at the races!! Thanks, Gilbert Gregg, Vice-President SMRA
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Post by mccordracing on Feb 3, 2014 23:52:58 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone would respond to the request about helping the kids progress instead of arguing about were we should race. I applaud SMRA for stepping up for Winnemucca great track and great people and if you look around the pits there is always a big turnout from Winnemucca. I would love to see some changes at the local tracks but for now the only way to make my son faster is to go to Cali. There is no reason why they should not be able to ride the whole track. Fernley, Stead, and Winnemucca tracks are not as challenging as the National track at Prairie City and they get to ride the whole track there and Riverfront, E Street, MMX, Glen Helen, etc....
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Post by screen78 on Feb 5, 2014 1:49:22 GMT -5
Screen 78, I welcome your debate. However; clearly you dont run a track or have a clue about economics. The OTMX is bankrupt because of your excact way of thinking. By sending races out of town you bankrupted a local non profit. The proof is in the #'s. They didnt cancel there race because of the smoke, they cancellled the National because they couldnt afford it. The RMA is responsible for the dealer challenge, one of the most succesful race series's in our area to date. The rule book has been developed by the best race minds in NorNV. It takes the rules from SMRA,AMA and MXWEST. We spent a lot of time focusing on what was best for the racers. Right... because you know so much about economics. When you throw a free practice for certain people, when other promoters are holding a practice, what do you call that??? How would Lyon county feel about you taking away business from them by holding a free practice (for certain people) someplace else??? Just like you said, Lyon county loses out on gas, food, and taxes because of that. What… it's in Storey county so it doesn't matter then? ? But it matters if that money goes to Winnemucca??? Your dealer challenge made how much last year??? Where are the "#'s" for that? oh wait… is that Winnemucca's fault? Blaming one "out of town" track for Northern Nevada's MX scene and lack of funding for "local" tracks is BS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 13:07:54 GMT -5
SCREEN 78: ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:
1. YES I DO, I STUDIED ECONOMICS ALL THROUGH COLLEGE.
2. "CERTAIN PEOPLE" ARE CALLED THE OTHG, STRONG, PASSIONATE AND BEST WELL RUN MOTOCROSS CLUB IN NOR/NV. THAT FREE PRACTICE PROGRAM IS DEFINED BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AS "FREE ENTERPRISE".
3. I HAVE HIRED LYON COUNTY EMT SERVICE FOR A COST OF 1000.00 PER RACE, THEY WELCOME OUR BUSINESS.
4. STOREY COUNTY AND LYON COUNTY SHARE WATER RESOURCES, FIRE RESOURCES AND HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ON EACH OTHER. WE BUY WATER AND EMT SERVICES. SO YES, IT DOES MATTER.
5. WE DID NOT HAVE A DEALER CHALLENGE LAST YEAR. BUT FUNNY YOU BRING THAT UP. THE DEALER CHALLENGE WAS VOTED IN LAST NIGHT AND ROUND 1 WILL COMMENCE ON MARCH 2ND WITH THE OTHG RACE IN FERNLEY. ROUND 2 TO BE ANNOUNCED SHORTLY. THE DEALER CUP WILL RUN ALL SEASON WITH THE COOPERATION OF THE OTHG AND EXIT 28.
6. I LOVE WINNEMUCCA, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT RIDE FROM THEIR AND SUPPORT ARE TRACK, I HAVE SUPPORTED TY IN ALL OF HIS RACES AND USED TO PERFORM THEIR IN OUR OWN FMX SHOWS. I WAS ASKED WHAT WOULD GROW NOR/NV MX, MY OPINION IS TO HAVE MORE LOCAL RACES. FROM A RACERS PERSPECTIVE DRIVING TO WINNEMUCCA TWICE THIS YEAR IS COSTLY. THE MORE RACERS SPEND ON FUEL AND HOTELS THE LESS THEY SPEND ON THEIR BIKES. PERSONAL FRIENDSHIPS AND LOYALTY ARE COMMENDABLE BUT NOT WHEN THEY COME AT THE COST OF THE RACERS AND LOCAL PROMOTERS. ONE DESTINATION RACE IS COOL, BUT 2 IS TOO MUCH.
THIS NEW CHANGING OF THE GUARD IS FANTASTIC FOR OUR LOCAL RACERS. THE PROMOTER COMPETITION IS CREATING GREAT DEALS FOR ALL WHO RIDE. IN CELEBRATION OF THIS NEW CHALLENGE WE WILL BE OFFERING FREE PRACTICE AGAIN TO ALL CARD HOLDING OTHG MEMBERS ON FEB 16. ON FEB 15TH WE ARE HAVING A SCHOOL. "FAST CAMP". COME SHARPEN UP YOUR SKILLS FOR THE UPCOMING RACE SEASON. GATE PRACTICE, CORNER SPEED DRILLS, SAFE PASSING, CORRECT BODY POSITION AND ALOT OF TRACK TIME FOR ONLY 100.00, STUDENTS GET FREE PRACTICE ON SUNDAY FEB 16TH. CONTACT TIM@LIVFAST.COM TO RESERVE YOUR SPOT. WE WILL FILL UP QUICKLY SO DONT WAIT.
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Post by nvmarkus89 on Feb 5, 2014 21:55:19 GMT -5
Screen78 I'm sorry that whoever you are you have come on here and decide to bash Tim, I hope you are having fun. The truth of the matter is that if he wasn't operating his track for us up here in Reno, we would have nothing... Yes I know that other clubs occasionally have a practice here or there, but he tries to open as often as possible. What track do you own and operate? Where does all you money go? I can't stand to sit here and watch you continue to bash him. You have no idea. There are many sides to each of the stories and I'm sure you have your own. Yes I would love to have a unified race season up here so that when I was able to race I could. If they want to have one race in Winnemucca that would be fine. I would choose not to drive to that one same as I have done the years before. SMRA used to let you miss a race and it would be okay. That's what my choice was. Everyone needs to stop all the bickering, it's getting old. Including yours. CA has bigger races because they draw from millions of people, we only have say at most 500k if you include all the surrounding areas. And from what I hear they bicker and crap and don't get that great of turnouts either. So what is your point are you hoping to turn everyone against the one track owner we have that has practices almost every weekend? Thanks a lot!!
I don't prefer one group to another, I am a part of OTHG, and feel free to contact me if you would like. A lot of the people around here know how to get a hold of me. My name is Mark Held
I thank everyone for trying to have an MX scene here in Reno, I truly enjoy every time I am on my bike. I'm sorry that everyone can't work together and make one big series. Everyday with work I am sure that there are people you may not like that you have to work with, maybe we should try that approach. Think of it as work, and you don't have to like the other people but do it because of the greater good.
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Post by qtrtnmx192r on Feb 5, 2014 22:06:31 GMT -5
I live 43 miles outside of Winnemucca and still drive to 28 to ride I love the track and the atmosphere and the people there and I also love the local track in winnemucca and the people who r involved with it too I just love to ride my dirt bike so I just suck it up and go O yea and I belong to reno othg and think it and livfast 28 r great so let's all just roost on
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Post by whylee on Feb 5, 2014 22:27:12 GMT -5
I think this topic is going way off track here. We dont need to bash anyone here, thats why things do not get accomplished. Instead of bashing and pointing fingers, try to talk things over and see how changes can be made. By all means, if you dont like the way things are, you are free to operate your own facilities and do what you like.
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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 6, 2014 0:10:43 GMT -5
There any many things that have the motocross world in a downward motion and keeping it in a holding pattern.... But there are ways to help get moving upwards!
The economy is a big issue with motocross. The lack of money and the higher costs of racing is hurting the sport everywhere, it's not just here. As for Wal-Mart doing well it because people are watching every dollar they spend and its cheap to buy things there, that is why Wal-Mart is doing well. But I don't think the economy is all the issue.
We all draw from a small rider base, racers are looking to quality events. Which isnt much, good track safe track with prep, be treated fairly when there is an issue, moto's ran smooth as possible... the biggest thing is to keep the event fun!!!
The demise of our local motocross is the division of the rider base. Stop and look at the consistent wedge placed with the base, and when something happens there seems to be that unforgettable or forgivable stance thrown into place. I heard it today, I don't go to those races or that track because blah..blah.. It seems like lots of personal issues in place. We as a collective group need to let things pass and focus on the future! Sure we all have opinions, but sometimes they need to be put aside for the common good of the sport. The bad part is seeing the same mistakes being made over and over again... it's just pure insanity. It seems like there is a constant power struggle over who is doing what, never a minute given to help make it better at times. Maybe a little more give than take by some parties it could work better for all....Stop and look, a series with in a series but yet it doesn't include anybody else? Is that what's good for the sport? I don't think so. No doubt the racers will suffer in some form, it puts a line in the dirt. I hope I'm wrong and I wish the best of luck..but history seems to repeat its self..It's happened before and failed, why think it will work now is besides me. But that's just my opinion... It drives just another wedge, making our already small group even more divided. The pie is only so large and you can only cut it up so many times...There is no one person to blame and until the majority work together we are in for a wild ride that nobody will win...But there is only so much to worry about, I'm going to focus on help making the events the OTHG puts on the best they can be and have fun riding and racing myself, and with my fellow motoheads.
Lets address a few things.. 1. The original Fernley track received a major face lift in 2013. (OG track) It was very expensive. That yellow iron is pricey to run and the fuel it uses isn't cheap. The OTHG spent a fair amount of coin changing it
2. Two stroke or Four, they are both every expensive to buy! Look at the prices. That in its self hurts the sport. Sure the up keep is cheaper on a smoker, but the parts they use are just as much. Tires, chains and sprockets, ect....
3. We all use expendable income to race and for the majority we all have less of that and really think about where we ride or race. We compete against the mall, movies, dinner and indoor go carting to name a few things for those dollars.
4. Fernley is shared by two clubs! The OTHG ( Over The Hill Gang) and the formerly known as the OTMX (Old Timers MX) which is now Club MX775
5. Constant bashing surely doesnt help the sport. In life we all deal with or work with that we either dont like or hate but we still do it. If you dont go to a race because you dont like the promoter, the only person you hurt is yourself. You might miss the best race of the year or find out what a great job that group/promoter does...step out of the zone! And let the past be the past and look to the future.
In closing....Why can't a local series include all the tracks? It could and would be a 775 series. One or two races per track or promoter. Keep it simple and a TRUE Nevada state championship
Oh yeah, I'm a member of the OTHG... Layne
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