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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 11:40:39 GMT -5
Does the SMRA bump a rider at the same points as a California rider would get bumped?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 13:33:24 GMT -5
No, they bump way to fast. NOR/NV riders get bumped way to soon. Its very foolish to me. The RMA which is run at 28 has a very similiar bump system as the AMA. Richie,Layne,Ty.myself and others spent a lot of time on it. SMRA is stuck in the 20th century, but there trying and making changes from what I've seen lately, which is promising.
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Post by Larry63r on Mar 10, 2014 17:36:45 GMT -5
There is no bump point system in California. There is no sanctioning body and no one keeps track of bump points at all. No rider has been bumped in Northern California since the 1980s when AMA/D36 motocross went away. AMA/D36 rule book. Bump points. 7.1.3 Motocross: Beginner--one trophy "C"--less than 30 points "B"--between 30 and 59 points "A"--over 59 points C = NOV/JR B = INT/AMA A = EXP I live in Rancho Cordova, CA. 12 minutes from the track at Prairie City. I have been a member of an AMA chartered motorcycle club for over 34 years. I have been to more district 36 meetings than anyone you have ever met except maybe Judy.
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Post by mxforfun on Mar 10, 2014 18:31:33 GMT -5
AMP/GFI has this as a bump system which is comparable to SMRA maybe even quicker bumping than SMRA from Jr. to Int. because if someone wins 6 Jr. races they are an Int. SMRA you need 50 bump points to move from Jr. to Int. which SMRA bump points start with 1st gets 2+ #of trophies in class. Other than this there isn't much of anyone keeping points anywhere, hopefully the event promoters are watching riders and placing them in appropriate classes so that sandbagging isn't happening or riders step up and ride the correct classes, but we all know it still happens. A lot of races are age bracketed for 85's and below so all abilities ride together based on their age.
The promoter or steward of any AMP/GFI sanctioned event shall have the authority to require an individual rider to participate in a class that, in their opinion, is equal to the rider’s ability. This requirement shall be enforced at all future events. A rider may be moved up or down in any class by the steward or promoter of any AMP/GFI event, determined by the point system or by rider’s ability or by lap times. Points accumulated requiring a move up are as follows: 12 points from Beginner to Novice 18 points from Novice to Intermediate 32 points from Intermediate to Expert or Pro Once the rider is moved up he will start with 0 points. A system of points, which may vary each season as the competition committee deems, will use to advance riders from one class to another. The rider may be moved up to the next higher class by points, rider ability or by lap times. Points are awarded as follows: 1st Place...................3 points 2nd place..................2 points 3rd place..................1 point 4th place down ….....0 points 10 or less rider in a class will receive half points Night races or arena type tracks could be exempt due to the size of the race course. Rider can be transferred prior and up to half way point of a series. Riders would be transferred with all their earned points to the next higher class, while not exceeding the points in that class that will be determined by the points you have earned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:24:42 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the answers. I agree Tim that out kids get bumped to soon. I think kids/adults need more time in each class to hone their skill sets. I think it would make for better and safer racing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:35:41 GMT -5
agreed Dave. It also generates more income for the promoters. Its a win win. MXFORFUN you should post ama points. They are the LAW and what you will be racing if your awesome.
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Post by max924z on Mar 10, 2014 20:39:40 GMT -5
I vote we do away with all the rules and have a sandbaggin, run what-ya-brung demolation derby on the track. Last man standing wins!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:49:30 GMT -5
They do that every year on memorial day at Sand MTN. #Merica
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Post by Mr Moto on Mar 10, 2014 21:07:59 GMT -5
I vote we do away with all the rules and have a sandbaggin, run what-ya-brung demolation derby on the track. Last man standing wins!!!! LOL!!! Can we include drinking too??? Its time that some rules be addressed...
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Post by max924z on Mar 10, 2014 21:11:53 GMT -5
I vote we do away with all the rules and have a sandbaggin, run what-ya-brung demolation derby on the track. Last man standing wins!!!! LOL!!! Can we include drinking too??? Its time that some rules be addressed... Drinking will be manditory and I guess we will have to include the mini's, to be fair.
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Post by mxforfun on Mar 10, 2014 21:24:57 GMT -5
I was just posting the only other promoter that has a rulebook with bump points close to SMRA, since that was the question. Most promoters/races around Northern California do not track bump points or are AMA affiliated.. The only races I know of that are using AMA information is the Road to Mammoth and even those don't run the exact AMA rules or classes, so even at a AMA event the LAW is a gray area. Loretta Lynn (MX Sports) has their own rules book and points system, isn't that where most of the "awesome" riders aspire to go? Riders and promoters need to use better judgement on what classes are appropriate, if a rider wants to progress they should ride a class with a challenge and if a promoter wants to see the sport progress they should move riders as necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:34:46 GMT -5
MXFORFUN agreed, but loretta lynns isnt for everyone. The ama is the goal.
You guys need to come out to Sand Mountain. everyones drunk, riding 3 wheelers and minis without helmets is mandatory.
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Post by mxforfun on Mar 10, 2014 21:45:25 GMT -5
I guess what I am getting at is that if you are at that level you aren't worried about racing these local races and bump points, you are at the races where the AMA is and getting your AMA points there. Yes you might compete locally to get seat time but if you are at that level being bumped from Beg. to Jr. and Jr. to Int. should not be an issue. If you are fast here and worried about being bumped to the higher class because in "California" they are faster, then get yourself to that higher class, chasing those fast guys is only going to make you faster or give you a reality check.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 22:08:50 GMT -5
I understand what your saying, But I think that we as promoters and parents are responsible for preparing the kids the best we can, so they are not surprised. Instead they do the surprising. Thats all.
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Post by max924z on Mar 10, 2014 22:33:17 GMT -5
I guess what I am getting at is that if you are at that level you aren't worried about racing these local races and bump points, you are at the races where the AMA is and getting your AMA points there. Yes you might compete locally to get seat time but if you are at that level being bumped from Beg. to Jr. and Jr. to Int. should not be an issue. If you are fast here and worried about being bumped to the higher class because in "California" they are faster, then get yourself to that higher class, chasing those fast guys is only going to make you faster or give you a reality check. Mxforfun, you are exactly right, bump points are in place to prevent sandbaggers from dominating a local series year after year and keep it fair for all riders. If you are a rider that is looking to advance in the sport you need to be going to nationals. There are ways to control your local bump points and still get the seat time. You just have to know the rules and keep track of your points. You can always race the schoolboy or open class which does not have bump points.
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