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Post by Sam361 on Mar 29, 2014 23:47:37 GMT -5
I guess i might be old school. But im one that thinks these jumpfest tracks lately are junk. People are getting hurt , yes its a dangerous sport but some of the sections are nuts. I think they should cut out at least 25% of the jumps. Make tracks a little more turny. What do you think?
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Post by Larry63r on Mar 30, 2014 2:44:52 GMT -5
I have read about this new track obstacle that they have over in Europe. It is so gnarly that no American rider has been able to master it. Local promoters around the country won't include them in their tracks because of the risk factor and they are afraid of being sued when the local riders crash and get hurt on them. Unfortunately America may never win another MXdN if our riders can't get the chance to practice and master this new track obstacle. What is this new unconquerable, unbelievably difficult obstacle? It is called a straightaway!
P.S. Yes, SX has been insanely boring this year. I have not been able to stay awake through one yet. It is nothing but boring jumps! This is how they go this year. Start, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, turn, Jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, turn. Jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, turn. SLEEP! Wake up, race is over.
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Post by renomxjunky on Mar 31, 2014 17:06:51 GMT -5
I kinda feel like we already have a series for straightaways, I believe its called motocross? I love both series, sure supercross has become more of a jump show in recent years but maybe this is perhaps because bikes have evolved so much? I think Supercross tests the timing of the riders, obstacles this year seem to be challenging the riders more than in recent years and I think its been making for a good show. Big air, lots of jumps= Supercross, high speed and endurance= Motocross. Just my opinion.
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Post by collord216 on Mar 31, 2014 21:26:25 GMT -5
Supercross is not boring. How can you say it is when last week in St. Louis there were 10 riders with practice times all within the same second! It is a stacked field, no one can pinpoint anyone rider who will win! People falling and getting hurt lets you know these pro riders, who are the fastest in the world (merica!), are being challenged to their limits. Forget about whoops? Large bowl turns? Option lines? Different ways to rhythm? If you want straights with turns go watch nascar.
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Post by promoto776 on Mar 31, 2014 22:20:54 GMT -5
I know the younger crowd doesn't believe this but Aron and I have been their and done that. Supercross is only a show to line the pockets of a few. As Ive said many times: they only allow 10 riders to have the best parts an equipment....Its always the same group up front soooo boring....The rest of the guys have some parts 10th thru 15th and the rest follow the circuit in hopes of a ride with the equipment they can never get....Until a riders revolt or association is in place to level the playing field it will remain a fake show...Bad enough our government is a joke I never dreamed motorcycle racing would compare...I believe most people go to any sporting event to see something great, unexpected and root for the underdog. Ron USA good day.
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Post by collord216 on Mar 31, 2014 22:43:05 GMT -5
How do they only " allow" top ten riders the best equipment? Is there some kind of judge that says they can't have factory equipment? Isn't that the struggle of a privateer?(deep pockets) Do you think it should be like nascar where everyone runs the same stuff? Racing is a show! Specially supercross! Big semis and flashy gear If all racers were privateer and had the same setups.. That would be boring (nascar) I personally get more enjoyment out of watching the lites class. I look at it like the nfl vs college ball NFL players (top 10 450 riders) already have their money and contracts lifestyle etc. lites riders (college ball) are looking for that step up, they fight harder! Another thing I'd like to add: look at how the "top 10" riders are brought up career wise, the parents had to put in the time and money and travel discipline for their entire lives! With the exception of little stewart, that I know of, that's all they've ever known was race race race, some even move to our country. (Deep pockets) I don't know where I am going with this but can anyone agree?
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Post by promoto776 on Mar 31, 2014 23:30:00 GMT -5
I will excuse you for your youth and inexperience ..The answer to your question is, they don't make all the parts available to all riders at any price period. YOU cANT EVEN GET THEIR TIRES which by themselves are worth 2 seconds a lap get it. 20 laps 20 seconds. As far as how the riders got their start the AMA has let the factories run all the amature nationals as well....When I raced dirt track all parts had to be available to all riders 30 days prior to an event....factory sponsored riders still had the big advantage of money but privaters still won races ..races were won by feet and inches, seeing the same riders lap guys week after week is ripin off the public..Ron USA good day.
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Post by collord216 on Mar 31, 2014 23:52:32 GMT -5
Do true privateers not have the same access to equipment (tires) as rch, motoconcepts, two two motosports, rock river? Are these teams considered factory? Or do these teams just have the money?
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Post by renomxjunky on Apr 1, 2014 11:20:23 GMT -5
Its true about parts not being available to privateer riders, this is unfortunate however if the only race you're watching is the guys out front you're missing over half the racing. Some of the best racing comes in the semi's and LCQ's. Remember Daytona? Riders not only give it their all but they usually put on a great show while doing so! More bar banging and effort goes into these few heats than most of the main. Also lets not forget Weston Peick (not a factory rider) is pulling top tens and top 5's consistently. In all reality privateer riders (aside from the tires) can obtain more power by custom grinding parts, but of course this costs money and likely requires frequent rebuilds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 13:31:36 GMT -5
The top 10 weren't born in the top 10.
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Post by jd429 on Apr 1, 2014 18:02:36 GMT -5
I'd say Weston Prick has had great finishes for being a privateer, no factory help at all, regular tires too, just saying.
Heart and determination can go along way.
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Post by jd429 on Apr 1, 2014 18:03:48 GMT -5
Weston Peick
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Post by mx79 on Apr 1, 2014 22:46:52 GMT -5
The top 10 weren't born in the top 10. Agreed. If you have the heart and determination you can run top 10....Weston Peick for example. Those guys have earned there spots on those teams.... If you guys haven't already watch "Behind the Dream" The older episodes are on youtube. It gives a good behind the scenes on where some of the factory guys came from and what they have done to get there/stay there.
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Post by Sam361 on Apr 2, 2014 22:18:09 GMT -5
I was commenting on the bs tracks not the availability of parts for whoever. The tracks are stupid and dangerous to please fans and make money. But it is hurting people and the racing I think. Yes lap times are close, that's good. But if you could get an honest answer from the top ten, or all the riders, I bet they would welcome a change. They wont say that because they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. As far as parts go, you don't start at Harvard unless you earn it. You have to get to Harvard before you can attend that school. Same with Racing. It would be nice if they gave everyone that makes it to the pros the same tires, but they don't. racers make it the top with hard work. Not by complaining that its not fair. I know one rider that could have made it.
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Post by collord216 on Apr 2, 2014 22:26:54 GMT -5
Vegas has thunder alley or whatever it's called, Detroit had the grand stands section. I'm not agreeing they are junk, but what happened to the "over-under" tunnel?
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