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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 8, 2009 21:21:50 GMT -5
found this on another site, and thought I could help spread the word. I guess someone is trying to fight for us parents with kids riding, so please go in and sign the petition. It only takes 1 min. www.petitionspot.com/petitions/thumpertalk
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Post by beaupre716 on Feb 8, 2009 21:39:00 GMT -5
Done and done. It's really time to end that craziness.
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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 8, 2009 21:47:01 GMT -5
Starting tomorrow, NO little kid bikes will be sold to my understanding.
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Post by westracing on Feb 8, 2009 22:59:39 GMT -5
what manufacturers are affected by this, I only keep seeing Honda mentioned, and some pep boys brands..... whats the real deal
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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 8, 2009 23:02:20 GMT -5
From what I have heard only the big 4 and Im not 100% sure but KTM too. It sucks!
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Post by lakeman on Feb 9, 2009 0:35:54 GMT -5
Jut signed it and sent it off. It's another example of some clown in government over stepping his bounds. The rule is supposed to protect small children, those that put things into their mouths. Well I've never seen a 2-year-old ride a motorcycle or be allowed to lick one. Sometimes you can only wonder. And then realize why we're in such bad shape as a society.
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Post by JAja on Feb 9, 2009 1:00:38 GMT -5
Uhhhhmmmm.............one member of my family actually ATE one............. Yet another example of not quite knowing what you're talking about! I'ts inconceiveable to think this might actually happen. Come spend a day with us...........then judge.
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Post by gregg86n on Feb 9, 2009 10:39:40 GMT -5
Well lets see what we have to fight off so far. Closure of all motorized vehicles on public lands. The sale on bikes to children under twelve. The threat of wacko's banning all thrill craft. We will probably lose sand mountain and the warn springs area(moonrocks).I'm sure glad the government knows whats good for us. Will signing petitions stop this? I doubt it. The door for big government is now open. There is only 2 ways to stop this. March to Washington and impale the bas$%^ds and line the street to Washington with their corpses. Or VOTE the right way. The only voice we have is at the ballot box. There is not much we can do for the next two years but to keep our heads low, but we can start with the mid term elections. WE MUST DUMP HARRY REID! He is nothing but Nancy Polosi's Butt puppet! Stop the influence of California politics to our state. Get these know it all bonehead Democrats out of Washington. We asked for change, now we are getting it. I didn't think it would happen so soon, but it has. People must educate themselves about political issues with more than 60 second sound bites from the nightly news. I'm not trying to start a political argument with anybody, all I ask is for people to start to paying attention with what goes on in the political world. And what political party votes for what. You will hopefully realize if you are an outdoors type of person, the Democrats are not for you. Unless you hike or own a horse.
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Post by rgrant on Feb 9, 2009 12:16:55 GMT -5
What bikes are considered "children's bikes" 50's, 65's, 70's ect...? And for what reason is it really the lead thing? Unfu%&ing believable.
Ryan
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Post by 101mom on Feb 9, 2009 22:29:39 GMT -5
You know that just sucks! If the ban is related to lead poisoning from China and the big 4 are affected. The KTM does not come from China. Does anyone think the KTM will be excluded? Maybe a loop hole. If kids know how to ride a bike I am sure they wont be licking and chewing on it. Also CPS should get involved if parents are letting the little ones lick and chew on bikes. Absolute craziness!
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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 9, 2009 22:38:37 GMT -5
From what I heard today....nobody will be okay and part sales will be limited.
When I hear more I'll post it...
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Post by 101mom on Feb 9, 2009 23:33:42 GMT -5
Thanks Mr. Moto, That's sad news.
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Post by Mr Moto on Feb 9, 2009 23:39:20 GMT -5
According to a letter sent to Honda dealers dated January 23, 2009, which you can read below, a Congressional Act passed in response to the sale of unsafe, lead-tainted toys last year, could result in a ban on sale of certain Honda motorcycles and ATVs sized for youngsters after February 10, 2009. The language of the Congressional Act is broad enough to encompass motorcycles containing lead in "substrate material" over 600ppm, which would impact certain motorcycles and ATVs even though paint on those models contains lead within acceptable limits. The affected Honda motorcycles and ATVs are the TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F and CRF 80F, but the ban would seemingly encompass any motorcycle or ATV "designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger." Honda hopes to convince Congress to exempt alloyed parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Congressional Act, but time is running out.
January 23, 2009
Dear Honda Dealer:
On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.
The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.
Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million) Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.
Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.
Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.
Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.
What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.
As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.
We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act.
With best regards,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Ray Blank Senior Vice-President Motorcycle Division
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Motorcycle Industry Reacts to Ridiculous Rules on Lead in Children's Motorcycles and ATVs By Dirck Edge If it wasn't obvious from reading Honda's letter to its dealers posted yesterday on MD, the statement provided below by the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America and the Motorcycle Industry Council makes it crystal clear that the well-intentioned Consumer Product Safety Commission Improvement Act will have a devastating, unintended impact on motorcycle dealers here in the United States as of February 10 unless Congress and/or the Consumer Product Safety Commission ("CPSC") clearly exempt motorcycles and ATVs from the new rules. Take a look at the following press release/statement provided by the Speciality Vehicle Institute of America and the Motorcycle Industry Council, and then please take the time to contact the CPSC. Below is a link to a page where you can send an electronic message to the CPSC, as well as the address, phone and fax numbers for the CPSC:
Street and Mailing Address U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission 4330 East West Highway Bethesda, MD 20814
Headquarters General Information: (301) 504-7923 M-F 8:00 am - 4:30 pm ET Fax: (301) 504-0124 and (301) 504-0025 E-mail: Please use our Contact Form SVIA and MIC Press Consumer Product Safety Commission and Legislators for Reasonable Interpretation of New Law Regulating Lead in Youth Products IRVINE, Calif., Jan. 26, 2009 - The Specialty Vehicle Institute of America and the Motorcycle Industry Council, whose member companies manufacture or distribute youth model all-terrain vehicles and off-highway motorcycles, respectively, as well as parts and accessories for ATVs and motorcycles, today urgently requested the Consumer Product Safety Commission and federal legislators to take a common sense approach to implementation of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act's lead provisions. SVIA and MIC also announced their intention to join several of their member companies in filing petitions with the CPSC for emergency relief from the provisions, which go into effect on February 10, 2009. They are seeking a temporary final rule to exempt ATV and motorcycle parts in order to avoid major disruptions to enthusiasts, to the member companies' businesses, and to the companies' dealer network of thousands of small, independent businesses which employ tens of thousands of Americans.
"SVIA and MIC applaud Congress for taking an important step in protecting children from those products that truly present a lead risk," said Paul Vitrano, executive vice president and general counsel, SVIA. "However, there should be common-sense procedures for exclusions of parts, such as brakes, engines and suspensions, that do not present risk to children in the real world."
The petitions for exclusion will request exemptions based on existing European Union studies and analogous exemptions for lead in components of motorized vehicles and motorcycles. "Some ATV and motorcycle parts unavoidably contain small quantities of lead," said Vitrano, who also is general counsel of MIC. "Lead in these components is necessary, either for safety, as in the case of facilitating the machining of tire valves, critical to assuring tire air retention, or for functionality, such as the lead in battery terminals, which is needed to conduct electricity." Vitrano said the new law provides for exclusions for inaccessible components and authorizes CPSC to grant petitions for exclusions under certain conditions, but CPSC has not granted any for ATVs and motorcycles.
The CPSC recently released several proposals to address exclusions it might adopt, but the public comment period for these proposals will end after the February 10 effective date for the new lead provisions. "By delaying release of these proposals, CPSC will provide no meaningful guidance to product manufacturers and distributors eager to comply with the law prior to the February 10 deadline. Congress included an exclusion process in the CPSIA expressly to allow relief for parts that are unlikely to harm children, such as those contained in an ATV or motorcycle," Vitrano said.
The delays in clarifying the available exclusions have created an untenable situation for the associations' member companies and their thousands of dealers, many of which are small businesses. On February 10 huge inventories of products that present no health risk to children could be rendered retroactively illegal, and future products prohibited from sale. These products may need to be destroyed which would result in severe hardship to the member companies of the associations and their dealers at a time of unprecedented economic disruption.
Vitrano said that SVIA and MIC are calling on all ATV and motorcycle enthusiasts, dealers and other stakeholders to contact the CPSC and their respective Members of Congress to urge them to enact these temporary exclusions because, in the absence of government action, there likely will not be any new youth motorcycles or ATVs available for purchase in their local dealerships as of February 10.
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