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Post by Dylan Laidlaw 144 on Jun 28, 2006 18:09:56 GMT -5
in dirt rider the 150 was featured!! ;D
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Post by Larry63r on Jun 28, 2006 18:40:04 GMT -5
It says it's an ARTISTS RENDERING on the picture! That means it's not real.
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Post by Mr Moto on Jun 28, 2006 21:01:11 GMT -5
That might be a drawing in the magazine but the bike isnt to far in the future for us. It wont be long and all two stroke will be gone and the 85's are the next bike to get the four stroke axe!
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Post by beaupre716 on Jun 28, 2006 23:04:07 GMT -5
Get ready to learn to adjust valves, mini dads.
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Post by Bob716SR on Jun 28, 2006 23:22:42 GMT -5
And 2-3 thousand dollar rebuilds. Sad, but true. Bob716SR
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Post by mxrules on Jun 29, 2006 1:16:04 GMT -5
Bob, what are you talking about? I rebuilt my sons 450 for under $300 which included a pro-circuit piston. It really is not that hard. Just takes a bit more time. Once built then you can ride and ride and ride for the same amount of time that a 2 stroke would rebuild atleast 5 times or more. Add the cost up! Where are you getting the 2-3 thousand rebuilds? ;D
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Post by Bob716SR on Jun 29, 2006 8:38:41 GMT -5
Ah! Key words in your statement. 450. Great bike. A piston now and then will suffice. BUT, a 250, now that can be a whole different animal. If you went to Mammoth you would seem those poor unfortunate bikes all sitting in back of trucks. Many with dropped valves, broken piston skirts, rods that are no longer connectiong and cases to match. Now, call your local dealer dealer and tell them you dropped a valve and think it may have hurt the low end. Compare that to a mini Dad that is maintaining his little 2 stoke. A new style engine is heading for his garage. A whole different animal. A piston in your 450 is just maintanance. No big deal for a mechanically inclined perfson. I bet Tony could do it. However, call your local dealer again and tell hm you want you upper end rebuilt on that 450 including freshening the valves. You will be very glad you have the knowledge to do it yourself. Unfortunately, many mini Dads will not. Not at first, but I think after a couple of incidents they may learn. Bob716SR
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Post by mxrules on Jun 29, 2006 11:54:59 GMT -5
Yes, I see what you are talking about if it is more than just a top-end job. The key here is how many times will this happen. I am not sure about the stats on the 250f's but I do know I have been riding the 450 since 2003 and have only had to do the top-end three times. Twice on the 03 and once on the 05. 2-3 thousand for maintenance on a bike that you can get for about $3,000. I think it would be better and faster just to buy a new bike. Hey Bob maybe the dealers are going to try and make it where you just throw away your motor and buy a new one. The big thing that I am seeing what Bob is talking about is a lot of minidads / moms do not know how to work on bikes because they are new to the sport. Once they have to fork out that kind of money just to fix their kids bike will most likely discourage them from wanting to continue the sport etc... I hope to god these 150's are more indestructible than the 250f's. Thanks Bob! P.S. You are still bitter because Robert does not need you as much as he did when he had his 2 stroke! ;D ;D ;D Don't worry your Grand Daughter will need you soon enough to work on her CRF50, 60, 150!
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Post by oneraddad on Jun 29, 2006 12:19:27 GMT -5
Hey Guys, Don't underestimate mini Dads, Those little Polini's, KTM's and Cobra's produce alot of power and they break alot more then the bigger bikes. I miss those day's when I really felt needed.
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Post by nmxd on Jun 29, 2006 14:28:46 GMT -5
The good news is if you are a mini dad and survived the polini, ktm, etc, clutch and maintenance ritual you have attained zen like patience and are almost as educated as an MMI Grad ;D... I am sure grenading a 15,000rpm, 150cc fourstroke race bike may get a little ugly financially....but its the future... wow...it unreal the 2 stoke is almost gone.
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Post by racergreg on Jun 29, 2006 18:44:25 GMT -5
I read an article where the president of KTM said it cost them 2-3 times more to run the 250F's than their 125's in the World GP's. Of course they don't have a dad to do the rebuilds but the time and effort and parts costs are all relevant. racergreg
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Post by Mr Moto on Jun 29, 2006 23:58:50 GMT -5
Its funny people want performance without the maintenance, they have the belief that because it’s a four stroke it should be like a car. But what the don’t realize that its like a car….like an Formula 1 car. The technology in most four strokes you see today come from that style of back ground or Moto GP racing. Were they push the limits of performance and still have reliability. As for the cost being double, well there are twice as moving parts in the motor. Working on them….well it not as hard as everybody thinks, it’s just different, out of the norm. All manufactures have services manuals that will explain all the correct ways of working on your bike, those same books have trouble shooting guides in them to help you with any questions or issues. With good pictures to!! Plus don’t under estimate mini biker dads, by the time these bikes will be out in full swing. We will all be use to working on four strokes. These same questions and comments were made when two strokes went water cooled, then got power valves.
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Post by nielsenracing482 on Jun 30, 2006 11:48:40 GMT -5
These bikes are going to be awsome pitbikes.
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Post by Mr Moto on Jul 1, 2006 0:16:53 GMT -5
Thats funny aw esome pit bikes but it wasnt very long ago we said the same things about four strokes......."Man those four strokes make great trail bikes" No look Thats pretty much all anybody races!
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