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Post by beaupre716 on Nov 29, 2009 2:11:32 GMT -5
Someone wrote me today to tell how poisonous he thought this message board is for local motocross. He said that all the negativity that surfaces here is hurting local moto and that the site needs to be moderated more tightly.
I responded to this with my usual thought on this topic. I said that trouble on mx775 is a symptom--not a cause--of dysfunction in local motocross. And it has always seemed to me that we as people do better to confront our dysfunction than to hide it.
Still, I realize I'm capable of having blind spots, and my wife surprised me when I told her the story by saying, "Yeah, but the Internet brings out the worst in some people, so maybe that itself is a problem with your site."
So I figured I'd ask all of you what your thoughts are. Are message boards like this an asset or a problem for local motocross? Do the happenings here have any real effect on the world outside the computer? And should I ban people who insist on typing their posts in all caps?
Wait, that last one is unrelated. But I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on all of the rest.
Thanks,
Robert
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Post by Davis325 on Nov 29, 2009 2:19:43 GMT -5
Robert -
this forum is excellent for staying informed on local race schedules, shops around town, AMA times and tv airing times and locations.
I actually like this site more then myspace or facebook, pretty sure others will agree.
The thing is, there is always that internet tough guy, that runs there mouth and would never say it in person so they hide behind a monitor and type and most def dont put there name to it.
Also, people feel the need to antoginize others which makes things even worse.
I feel that this site is great for staying informed, but also can be detramental to the moto scene with all the tough guys...
but, no matter what you do, where you go, your gonna run into the same problems. People will do as they wish and some will own up to it and others wont.
I feel that if its not moto realated (positive stuff only) or something that needs to be sold or if its just a neat picture, video, story etc, then it dont belong here.
dont get me wrong, i have done my fair share of being a part of the problem on here but i own up to each and every one of my posts and offered to accept phone calls or emails to solve the problem away from the site.
Thats just what I think. Half the time I rely on this site to stay up to date with motocross in general, not to mention the local stuff happening.
Also, mx775 has saved me an unknown amount of money from all the great members on here walking me through problems on my numerous bikes.
Awesome site. Great people. Lets just all be positive.
How do we monitor that, i dont know.
Jaime Davis 325
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Post by 450gal on Nov 29, 2009 2:31:15 GMT -5
Someone wrote me today to tell how poisonous he thought this message board is for local motocross. He said that all the negativity that surfaces here is hurting local moto and that the site needs to be moderated more tightly. I responded to this with my usual thought on this topic. I said that trouble on mx775 is a symptom--not a cause--of dysfunction in local motocross. And it has always seemed to me that we as people do better to confront our dysfunction than to hide it. Still, I realize I'm capable of having blind spots, and my wife surprised me when I told her the story by saying, "Yeah, but the Internet brings out the worst in some people, so maybe that itself is a problem with your site." So I figured I'd ask all of you what your thoughts are. Are message boards like this an asset or a problem for local motocross? Do the happenings here have any real effect on the world outside the computer? And should I ban people who insist on typing their posts in all caps? Wait, that last one is unrelated. But I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on all of the rest. Thanks, Robert Please excuse the lack of eloquence in the following, as I'm still pretty much high and dizzy from the last week's goings on. However, I feel compelled to add my two cents. I think you are spot on with you hypothesis that disagreement or "trouble" is simply a symptom of a much more deeply seated problem. It has been my experience in the two + years of reading this board that while there may be disagreements and some discord, generally, the education and information we receive during these events far outweighs the actual events themselves. I learn so much from others' points of view and positions that I never would have understood had we not had these discussions. Generally, any group of people does better and progresses when given information. I like to make informed decisions and I like to spend my money in line with my personal views. Let's face it, motocross is very much based in business and just like I choose not to do business with certain restaurants, retail stores, and service providers because of their choices and products, when money is tight, as it is these days, I choose where to spend my limited resources in the moto community based on the behaviors (whether they be personal choices of the leaders or more strategic decisions like what jumps to put on a track) these businesses exhibit. All in all, I have found MX775 to be an asset. It is a hub for N. Nevada motocross and it has provided me not just information but an opportunity to meet a lot of great friends. It's hard to keep up with all the information that each track, promoter, and sanctioning body puts forth, especially when you're a newcomer to the community and not on a mailing list, and this site gives me all that information in just one click. Bobby, I think you do a great job moderating this site and making sure that while we may have debate, that it generally stays on course and ultimately becomes productive. I also think that what happens on here does have "real world effects", but that's not bad. People should be held accountable for their actions, both good and bad. I certainly don't say anything here that I haven't or wouldn't gladly say to someone's face. I think that your wife may have a point when she says that the internet can bring out the worst in people. I think this is due to a couple of reasons. 1- Many people aren't as effective at expressing themselves in writing and this can lead to a lot of frustration and miscommunication. 2- Others hide behind online personas in order to let out their passive aggressiveness without being responsible for any repercussions. Essentially, what my poor doped up brain is trying to say is that disagreement isn't bad as long as those partaking in it can maintain their professionalism, for lack of a better word, and can debate respectfully and agree to disagree when necessary.
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Post by fernley623racer on Nov 29, 2009 3:25:45 GMT -5
someone saying this site is "poisonous" to local mx riders is just f*cking retarded. this site is a bunch of mx friends and newbies "me" just bullsh*ttin' and havin a great time. sh*t i got my first real MX bike by using this forum. the pics are kick ass and the information you can get from this site is priceless. i feel sorry for whoever said that because they are missing out for sure. but there are some guys on this forum that i have reason to believe dont exactly know the meaning of the insult "tool". I voiced my opinion on a post and 2 guys called me a tool... now if you research the meaning up you will find that these guys used this insult completely out of context. i found it funny and couldnt help but to laugh at these guys for not researching there insult and finding out what the real definition of this insult was but maybe whoever said this stuff about the site was just called a tool one too many times lol or was just the owner of that new renomx site that has been spamming craigslist for weeks now and found all the riders come here, anyone know who the owner is? but most every insulting post i have run across on this site i found funny and there was nothing to be worried about. but if this site was to become no more....... i think i speak for all when i say that that would be a very fucked up crappy shitty time for all of us!
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Post by alexficco on Nov 29, 2009 4:16:55 GMT -5
I look forward to reading the days drama hahaha
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Post by momotos on Nov 29, 2009 10:43:03 GMT -5
My two cents worth.... If people feel this site is poisonous and people hide behind "screen names", why don't you modify this website like Norcalmotocross. You can still have your "screen name" however, when you sign up the be a member on their website, you actually have to give your "real name" and you location and it shows up on the right hand side of your post, as well as how long you have been a member. That way no one can just make random "name changes" to keep hiding from their real names. The Norcalmotocross website is a good one. They too have their "discussions" but I have never found it to get out of hand. Maybe because real names are posted on there. I find MX775 informative at times, but there is ALOT of BS going on on this website. I think however, you do a good job Robert at trying to keep it all under control. Like I said, just my two cents worth. Go to the Norcal website and check it out. It's very informative also. Bottom line.....let's pack the starting gates and have a good time....like the old Carson days!
Debbie
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Post by ssincity on Nov 29, 2009 10:58:38 GMT -5
Even though I am a newbie to the mx 2 wheeled world I am not new to forums and the motorcycle industry. Hell, you should try working for Harley and then be on a forum board and hear all there whiney a$$ bs.
I have found this site to be helpfull and have met some really great riders like triple7,davis, and eddy and if it were not for the possible move to socal for work, then I would stay on this site for all my informative MX needs!
But as others have said above me that it seems like others are big to talk while hiding behind there monitor. If there is a real problem then why doesnt everyone have a get together BBQ or something and discuss the issues of today and the problems of tomorrrow. Then put it all away and have a nice afternoon of riding!
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Post by oneraddad on Nov 29, 2009 11:03:09 GMT -5
Blaming this website for your shortcomings, is just plain stooooopid.
I wonder who it could be?
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Post by Fro115R on Nov 29, 2009 11:21:23 GMT -5
Robert site is not the cause of the poison, merely the medium through which the poison spreads. The poison is a collective gathering of people's opinions and thoughts on what is usually made up of half-truth's and one-sided stories. Some folks get on here and post what they believe to be the truth, without checking thier facts first, then others who also believe it to be true because they read it on a forum get on and reply with more half-truths and assumptions... pretty soon we're so far off base it's comical.
MX775 is a great place for MX riders to virtually congregate and "discuss" the local riding scene. Don't punish the good hearted members for what some foolish people choose to do, find the problem and break it's internet fingers.... can't make drama if you can't post drama. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 14:00:13 GMT -5
If your going to post something on a public site you better be ready to take some hits. I certainly think without public comment your going in circles on what people want. This gives a chance to call out the wrong and be called out ourselves. This gives people a voice who otherwise would never be heard. It's freedom, and that's never a bad thing.
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Post by xo♥ Miss 177 ♥ox on Nov 29, 2009 16:54:25 GMT -5
I think that it is misguided to say that mx775.com is poisonous. The forum is merely a place for members to express and share their thoughts, opinions, ideas, feelings, pictures, stories, ask for help, meet other people that love mx, find information about the local scene and you cannot deny the entertainment value that comes along with all of that. Don't let a few tactless a-holes ruin a good thing!
As far as the squabbles that materialize here...sure, things get a little heated at times, but I've never seen things get to a point of being out of control. Things being said on this board are being said elsewhere too, you just notice it more on here because it is out in the open for all to read. I think that the last thing we need is censorship on here. The issues being brought up are real, why not confront them? You can't just squash every topic that is sensitive. If you want that kind of stifling opression, go live in China. Debate can be healthy. But I do think it would add some accountability if our real names were displayed along with our screen names like on norcal.
Long live mx775.com =)
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Post by ♥Galli928♥ on Nov 29, 2009 17:38:36 GMT -5
Poison? Doesn't he/she know we are mini-kiss fans here?!
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Post by crazy88 on Nov 29, 2009 19:43:35 GMT -5
2. something harmful or pernicious, as to happiness or well-being: the poison of slander.
hmmm na don't think so
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Post by elgordo on Nov 29, 2009 19:46:25 GMT -5
lololol this forum is pretty tame compared to other boards out there. And it is an asset to local mx.
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Post by elgordo on Nov 29, 2009 19:50:07 GMT -5
Did the WR1 suspension thread have anything to do with this thread?
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