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Post by mxrules on Jul 16, 2006 19:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by beaupre716 on Jul 17, 2006 15:40:49 GMT -5
Your swift posting of the results makes up for the failure to spell check.
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Post by tony on Jul 18, 2006 1:38:10 GMT -5
That's what I'm talking about!
Great job Mark on getting those race results up and posted the very next day, less than 12 hours from the final lap on the web site!
Great job!
That's how it should be and there's no excuse to all the racers for it to not be that exact way!
That's what raising the bar to be better is all about! That's a fine example of making an effort to make things better! I applaud that kind of effort!
Incase no one has noticed, I will dog what I see as poor or accepted efforts and take on the reputation of "always complaining", let the record show however with this post, when people actually take that initiative to make things either great or better I'll also be the first one who steps up to the plate and recognizes that improved effort!
Never before have we had MX West or anyone else other than Mustang who produced race results on their web site in less than 12 hours after a race. Instead it's been people getting frustrated and constantly asking for the results weeks after the event.
I said it a while ago, there's no excuse for it to not be any other way. Again, great job Mark and MX West for getting those results published right away on the web site. It might be viewed to some as a small step, but, if your the person responsible for getting it done, it's a huge step in raising the bar to make things better!
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Post by mxrules on Jul 18, 2006 1:41:36 GMT -5
Thanks Tony but the credit goes to "Track Side Software". Would of been posted sooner but had to go riding with Ron the next day in the Pinenut forest! You missed a really good time this weekend!
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Post by tony on Jul 18, 2006 2:16:09 GMT -5
That Track Side software rocks for sure once you spend the time needed to understand it. It certainly helps though if you have a computer clue. If your an avid hardcore computer geek you get frustrated in some of the things they've done to adapt the software to accomidate the bulk of their users who run it. The developers of the software though you'll find are great and actualy appreciate your working with them though if you have a clue. The bulk of their users don't so they've had to dumb things down to accomidate that, which is too bad, because that software had it not of been for that need to dumb it down could be so much better developed at this point had they of been able to focus their attention in that direction. It also would of been alot cheaper to buy had they not of had to constantly spend so much time supporting dumb users issues.
I'm hoping in your posting this though NMXD has actually purchased their own legal license of the software and aren't still using an illegal version of it through MX West?
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Post by tony on Jul 18, 2006 2:44:32 GMT -5
As far as "missing a good time", it's way cool all of you that rode that event had such a great time and enjoyed it. It' still not for me though. I guess I'm old school where even according to my Honda owners manual states I bought a race bike and racing requires you to be in top physical condition. Racing a less than 4 minute moto to me doesn't require a person to be in any kind of physical condition. To me, that just isn't Motocross. I like racing Motocross where it's a combination of skill and stamina, something thats much harder to train for and demands more dedication from you as an individual to race it.
Personaly, I've never understood how "MX West", which I always thought stood for "Motocross" West ended up geting tied into Arenacross events and I still don't understand where or how MX West benefits from holding or supporting Arenacross type events does any good for MX West as a sanctioning body or its racers. Arenacross events are spectator driven and in my opinion in the worse possible interest of the racers due to the high mortality rate which is associated with such events.
2,000 spectators at $10 a person comes to $20,000 for the promoter. MX West promoted this event by bringing on Coors Light, making the fancy flier, and paying for all the radio ad spots that got those 2,000 spectators out there. NMXD managed to bring in only 272 race entries yet profited on that $20,000 worth of spectator fee's, not to mention the race entries, concessions and beer sales. MX West only made $1 per rider entry on that race so of all that money, MX West only made a whopping $272.00. Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but MX West only charges $1 per rider don't they? With a large portion of those 272 entries being multiple classes that would mean MX West didn't even make that much money off all they did to make that race what it was right?
It's none of my business for sure, but I can't help in looking at those numbers and thinking someone, in this case MX West, which includes all of us card carrying MX West riders are getting jacked on that deal if NMXD isn't going to kick back to MX West anymore than $272 for that event. Afterall, it was the current MX West Board members that brought in Coors Light who provided the cool flier and all the radio spots that got those 2,000 Coor Light drinking spectators out there.
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Post by tony on Jul 18, 2006 3:48:36 GMT -5
and I neglected to mention by the way, GREAT JOB CAT WITH YOUR SECOND PLACE!
You must have gotten really fast!
You and Ron both beat Mike Epps who has been spanking everyone in the 30 Junior class, including me?
45 Junior class, Ron Haskins put some whip butt out there and came in right behind Dan, completely spanking Mark and Mike Epps. Ron has been on fire lately pushing my own back tire, whats gotten into that guy?
Wow!
25 Beginner!
Mark took first place?
Mark beat Dan? and Mike Epps took a third? 4th place to Cat, great job girl!
30 Beginner Cat took a second place, now thats as cool as it can get. That rocks my world to see that! I sure would have liked to of seen Ron up there in a first or at least third spot, but seeing Ron in a solid 4th is just as cool I suppose.
Someone help me out here, but when I look at these race results I see a whole lot of our top class riders scoring in the back of the pack in these results in almost every listed moto?
Need another example? Aron Harvey got a 9th place in 125 Intermediate? What is up with that?
What happened to Appleton in his race?
Either there were a whole lot of crashes on that track or a whole lot of our normal top riders in each class somehow managed to do really bad?
272 entries on that race, I'm seeing alot of people who I know were comped their entries racing in at least 4 events making that number
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Post by mxracersmom on Jul 18, 2006 9:11:55 GMT -5
TONY SHUT UP!
How dare you comment on whether a kid should have shown up and raced! You have no business posting something like that.
I am sick of your late night rantings. It's an embarrassment to the Masterpool's and to myself. You comment on things you know nothing about.
I will no longer be affiliated with your ignorance in any way, shape, or form.
Kelly Perez
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Post by dakota on Jul 18, 2006 12:47:00 GMT -5
AMEN Kelly!!!! Tony, how dare you criticize the riders like that!!!! It is getting the the point where the participants should take up a fund raiser and donate the proceeds to the "Downed Riders" just to get you to quit posting on ANY race talk forums in Nevada. Your postings create havoc among everyone and need to stop ASAP. My family enjoys to read the MX775 and MX Race Talk on a daily basis and when they are through, all they can comment is about the "negative postings from Tony". Soooooo, long story short, please stop!
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Post by ridermom on Jul 18, 2006 12:48:08 GMT -5
good job, kelly!!!! all the riders did a great job!!! aron rode wonderfully as usual!! he took a nasty spill in the 125 intermediate but won all his other races. kudos to him for not quitting even though that road rash was pretty nasty. i personally was proud of all the kids that rode their hearts out. everyone seemed to have a great time and the racing was REALLY fantastic! it was a great weekend. hey tony....maybe you should have been there and watched before passing judgement!! you know what they say...people who live in glass houses should not be hurling stones!! nmxd put on a helluva an event and i am sure that everyone concerned worked their butts off too!! tony,...it is really none of your business how much money the event brought in or who did what with it! it is all about the riders and making it right for them.
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Post by beaupre716 on Jul 18, 2006 14:00:11 GMT -5
As far as the solid spectator turnout goes, it would be absurd for MX West to demand more money just because the event was a success. We just ask for enough to keep the awards and point keepers coming. We didn't put on the event, after all--that burden rested in Ty's lap, and I'd say he did a fine job.
And yes--arenacross motos are shorter than normal motos. But the action of arenacross is off the charts--usually more than a normal full-length moto. I had a blast myself, as did everyone else I spoke to. I think you really did miss out on this one, Tony.
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Post by Mr Moto on Jul 18, 2006 14:19:36 GMT -5
As for Gardnerville you are sadly wrong about the happenings of it all and it was one of the greatest events we have had locally in quite some time. The track was plenty safe and to my knowledge nobody was transported for the track, do to falling! There was a lady who stepped goofy and broke he ankle or sprained it really bad, but other than that nothing. I know this because I was parked next to the paramedics the entire event and spoke to them through out the entire event. They event commented to me on what a quiet night it was after the event…. Sometimes if you dont have the facts, you shouldnt talk about it
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Post by mxrules on Jul 18, 2006 14:27:21 GMT -5
I just want to say a couple more things on this event.
I got there Friday morning and all I saw was major work being done by Ty and helpers. They were busting butt to make this a great event. I could see it on all their faces how tired they already were before the practice night even started. These kinda races do not happen over night like some races. There was a lot of effort by Ty to make this happen. A lot of phone calls, leg work etc..... The biggest thing that made this happen was teamwork! A group is always stronger than and individual! Tony, it is time to be apart of the group! Stop with the negative crap and start having fun! You don't have to race a small track, but there are others that love it. I personally love every kind of track. I even love Fernley which is where I do the worst at. Competition is competition no matter how you look at it.
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Post by icarus on Jul 18, 2006 19:05:40 GMT -5
One thing you would have loved to see, Tony, is Cat getting the holeshot on Dan, Mark and Ron! She banged bars down the whole start with Dan and stuffed Mark in the first turn to take the holeshot. Mike Torres from Tagnmx said he got a picture of it but I have not seen it yet. I can't wait! ;D
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Post by Mr Moto on Jul 18, 2006 19:15:28 GMT -5
As far as "missing a good time", it's way cool all of you that rode that event had such a great time and enjoyed it. It' still not for me though. I guess I'm old school where even according to my Honda owners manual states I bought a race bike and racing requires you to be in top physical condition. Racing a less than 4 minute moto to me doesn't require a person to be in any kind of physical condition. To me, that just isn't Motocross. I like racing Motocross where it's a combination of skill and stamina, something thats much harder to train for and demands more dedication from you as an individual to race it. Personaly, I've never understood how "MX West", which I always thought stood for "Motocross" West ended up geting tied into Arenacross events and I still don't understand where or how MX West benefits from holding or supporting Arenacross type events does any good for MX West as a sanctioning body or its racers. Arenacross events are spectator driven and in my opinion in the worse possible interest of the racers due to the high mortality rate which is associated with such events. 2,000 spectators at $10 a person comes to $20,000 for the promoter. MX West promoted this event by bringing on Coors Light, making the fancy flier, and paying for all the radio ad spots that got those 2,000 spectators out there. NMXD managed to bring in only 272 race entries yet profited on that $20,000 worth of spectator fee's, not to mention the race entries, concessions and beer sales. MX West only made $1 per rider entry on that race so of all that money, MX West only made a whopping $272.00. Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but MX West only charges $1 per rider don't they? With a large portion of those 272 entries being multiple classes that would mean MX West didn't even make that much money off all they did to make that race what it was right? It's none of my business for sure, but I can't help in looking at those numbers and thinking someone, in this case MX West, which includes all of us card carrying MX West riders are getting jacked on that deal if NMXD isn't going to kick back to MX West anymore than $272 for that event. Afterall, it was the current MX West Board members that brought in Coors Light who provided the cool flier and all the radio spots that got those 2,000 Coor Light drinking spectators out there. Tony, I don’t understand some of your comments, your going to tell me that you can push yourself to the maxim limit for four minutes. I’m sure some somebody in your peak physical condition doesn’t even get his heart rate up in that short of time frame or with such a high level of ridding experience can handle any obstacles or competition thrown at you. I could understand some of the things you mention in your post if you where scrapping for the win in the Pro class, but you can barely win the beginner class in the over thirty class. Lets see here……What does Supercross, Arenacross and Motocross all have in common? Hmmmmmm….racing, competition, motorcycles, dirt, families, good people with the same things in mind. It all sounds much the same to me. It’s like a recipe for a good time if it’s all mixed right, you’ll get the best out of all of it. It doesn’t matter what kind of racing it is, you get what you put into it. Something that is nice about Arenacross style events is that Grandparents can come and watch, there is good seating as well as watching. Its about the show and being a part of that show, feeling the grove and having a good time with good people. The Mx West name……MX is that the designation for all motocross styled dirt bikes? It doesn’t matter if they are raced in Supercross, Desert, Arenacross or Motocross. The next would be West, since we live in the west and pretty much all the riders that come to our events are from the west coast it would be logical to add that into the mix. As for the money made……Great I hope all promoters make money so we can continue have good events. It’s important that a promoter makes money, where would they be if they didn’t? Jerry Masterpool, Larry Wosick, Scott Davis, Ty, OTMX, OTHG, ect all need to make money to survive. Tony, you never talk about how much money was lost at an event, so why care if money was made? You ever wonder how long these people or clubs would survive if all they did was lose money putting on events….Or where our local motocross seen would be, what tracks would be riding….if any. I’ve been in this sport for a longgggg time and to see a company live Coors give help to local motocross and help bring new people to an event. How awesome is it that a company of that size would help! God, I love Coors! Not only does it taste good, but they sponsor motocross, what more does a man need to ask for. Gardnerville was a great event….plain and simple! I can wait for the next one! It made me remember why I love motocross so much.. Layne P.S. Cat rocked!
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