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Post by JAja on Jun 15, 2006 0:05:38 GMT -5
Thanks Jonny, A flat rear tire sounds good! I don't know what "tool" to use. It happend to me and I wasn't even racin'! Maybe you could dig something out of your old snowboard stuff. I hear snowboarders rank right down there with freestylers Judy
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Post by Mr Moto on Jun 15, 2006 0:33:33 GMT -5
Is he grounded Dam sandbaggers
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Post by mxrules on Jun 15, 2006 1:26:01 GMT -5
Judy if you are not bashing me then why are you telling me on this forum that I have no honor and are not following the rules? Like I said I asked you at the last round of the spring series if I should race the 30+ Jr.. You said no! Now you come out here and say I have no honor and I am not doing the right thing. Some are joking with the rope thing and that is fine because I thought that was pretty funny! What really bothers me is that you used my name like you did on this forum. I can not believe you did this. I explain to you on this forum why I road as a beginner and all I got back from you was "I just used you as an example of how not to be". Thanks!
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Post by Larry63r on Jun 15, 2006 1:39:58 GMT -5
Mark, I have had riders beat me by 10 positions at tracks like the Oatfield. Then when I beat them at the Fern they protested me for sand bagging. I don't take think to much of it. I just ride my class and try not to crash. Just ride 40+ jr with me, we will have fun! Even if we get spanked!
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Post by JAja on Jun 15, 2006 1:41:55 GMT -5
So actually my point is are the rules being followed anyway?
Thanks Greg
Greg; I think the Old Timers are following the Old Timer rules at Old Timer International Race events.
I think the +40 riders are following the SMRA rules at local SMRA race events.
Aren't these riders given their "Expert" cards and their "Intermediate" cards by the same people, The Nevada Oldtimers? Maybe it would be best to keep it consistant."
The Nevada Chapter of the Old Timers works with the International Old Timers to classify our riders and other chapters riders in an attempt to have fair and equitable ability groups racing at the Old Timer International race events.
The SMRA sanctioning group is responsible for rider classification for the same reason...to have fair and equitable ability groups, for better racing at local race events.
It is confusing because the Old Timers have 5 ability classes in the +40 group at International race events and the SMRA (and other) sanctioning group limits the +40 group to only 3 ability classes at local race events. There will not be a direct correlation of, as an example, Old Timer Experts equals Local Experts. All Old Timer Novices and most Old Timer Amateurs probably should be in the Local +40 Junior class. Some of the faster Old Timer Amateur and Most of the Old Timer Expert class probably should be in the Local +40 Intermediate class. The rest of the Old Timer Experts, the Master A's and the Master B's probably should be in the Local Expert class.....At least I think so.
Bob Fabel
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Post by racergreg on Jun 15, 2006 7:37:52 GMT -5
I still don't think a master should be riding intermediate. Thanks Greg
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Post by wrightme on Jun 15, 2006 11:04:20 GMT -5
I think that one concept that everyone should see about the topic of discussion is this. It is difficult for any group to create a set of rules that: 1. Cover every possible situation fully. 2. Please everyone. Rules such as bumping are a compromise. They are intended to keep a level playing field for all riders, but will not solve every issue that arises.
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Post by mxfarmer on Jun 15, 2006 11:50:28 GMT -5
A beginner is a first time rider that pukes before every race, can't make the first turn without taking half the class out and might land on someone if he tries to jump. Once you have learned that...you graduate!!!!!!! Now it's welcome to MX racing...have a nice flight! Beginner is Kindergarten, and how embarrassing is it, to be there for years. The beginner class is the only class that you can bump on your own...points or not. Beginners should have the same minutes of track time, but get a medal instead of a big ass trophy. There would be no glory in winning a class like that....unless you are truly a beginner!!! I believe we have the beginner class to get the juices running and get the guy / gal addicted to our sport. Then we humiliate him / her, and get them to a class where skill is involved. I reckon I said enuf
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Post by oneraddad on Jun 15, 2006 11:56:15 GMT -5
Sorry Mark, but, mxfarmer is right on.
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Post by mxrules on Jun 15, 2006 14:06:51 GMT -5
mxfarmer I agree with you 100% but that is not what happens in the vet classes. The beginner class should be named the novice class. I am finally getting to a point where I should be bumped. It took me awhile to get here because I did start out when I was 44 as a true beginner that never raced and never road dirtbikes & kept getting hurt. I was singled out because I am totally involved in Motocross so I will set the example for many many more riders that I ride against. Riders that use to race and come back after years of not racing. Riders that are pro flat-track racers, Desert racers that only race Fernley. I could go on but the point has been made. I joked about being a professional beginner because it has taken me this long to get where I am now. I still get spanked at Fernley by many many sandbaggers and that is ok. It just made me more determined to get better at sand. The first year I raced, I won the championship without ever getting a trophy. How sad is that. It was best 9 of 12 races and I raced all 12. I basically paid for that trophy with all my entries. Like I said before, I don't feel like I had done anything wrong I.A.W. the rules but I will set the example for others. I will still ride 3 classes but now it will be the 25,30,40+ Jr. Classes. I got spanked a lot of times in the 25,30 beg / 40 jr. class. Now I will just get spanked even more. Hopefully it will make me faster. One point I will like to make tho is that I feel it was wrong for me only to get pointed out in the beginning of this thread. It is not like I have come out and just totally dominated everyone. The only time I have ever trophied was when I had to fight as hard as I could. I have never walked away from anyone.
Thank You, "The Professional Junior"
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Post by mxfarmer on Jun 15, 2006 15:35:58 GMT -5
Professional Junior the point I tried to make earlier, was that whether its you or someone else riding the beginner class(s), once you've raced a few races in that class and get your feet wet, its time to move on & up. I have seen you as well as others race in the past, and thought you were better than that!!! I am also aware that there are those that take advantage of that class in particular, because they can't ride up to the level of the class they are rated for. Everyone regardless has their good days and bad days whether it be Fernley or where ever. There has been complacency with a lot of rider's in many of the classes, whether it be Mx West, Sierra or whoever. The complacency doesn't breed competition, nor make anyone faster, but rather provides a false sense of accomplishment. I say do away with the beginner classes, not name them something else, and promote a level playing field for EVERYONE, which in turn creates a higher level of racing for everyone. If you look at some of the other sanctioning bodies, it is clear in their rules, that a beginner is someone that has less that 6 month of racing/riding experience. Most if not all of the participants in the beginner classes, have that amount of time if not more. AGAIN.................Do away with the beginner class designation!!! Enuf said Farmer
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Post by wrightme on Jun 15, 2006 15:56:17 GMT -5
mxfarmer (whoever you are), The "beginner class" issue was beat to death (on the MXWEST forum) last summer during the Carson Summer Nights series. Overall, the trend was to leave it as it was (MXWEST). Plenty of suggestions were brought up, but none that reached fruition. I personally feel that a beginner class for Vets should remain. I am another good case in point. I have never won a race. In fact, I have never beat more than 1 or 2 other beginners (other than the DNS/DNF riders). My first race ever was last spring at Fernley. My skill level makes me barely qualified for Jr classes, in fact it could be argued that I am an impediment at that level.
It may not be common, but there ARE true beginners at the Vet level. There should be at least one class where they can race with persons of roughly similar skill level.
I brought up the suggestion to make the Beginner class a faster bump. If you trophy three times, you are bumped. Then it becomes a class where racers may move up too fast for safety.
I brought up the suggestion to make the Beginner class a "monitored" class, where observers from the higher skill levels observe and determine a skill level of the beginner class. Then you need volunteers to perform that function.
At least one suggestion was brought up to limit it to a number of months, or a number of races.
There have been many suggestions brought to the table. At that time, none were deemed to be better than simply leaving the 30+ beginner class as it is.
More important is the problem with former racers (i.e., desert racers) showing up as a "first time MX racer" and racing in the beginner class, and basically lapping the field in a few laps, riding as if they are in a group of professional racers.
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Post by Larry63r on Jun 15, 2006 17:21:44 GMT -5
The beginner class is a skill level like any other class. Some riders will race for years and still not be fast enough to race in the JR class. Just as some racers will spend years in the INT classes and not be fast enough to race PRO. Some riders are just born slower than others. I have raced for 28 years and never pointed out of beginner. I race 40+ JR because that is the lowest class for 40+ riders. If I race 30+ I race BEG.
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Post by mxfarmer on Jun 15, 2006 18:18:23 GMT -5
The beginner class is a skill level like any other class. I have raced for 28 years and never pointed out of beginner. I race 40+ JR because that is the lowest class for 40+ riders. If I race 30+ I race BEG. Larry that's a contradiction in terms. If your a beginner, then there's NO skill level. I mean really, how would you gauge your ability; against other slower rider's? or how high you jump compared to the other's? or how many times to take dirt naps compared to other's? You say that you've raced 28 years, and never pointed out of a beginner class? You race OTHG don't you? Do you race beginner there too? I brought up the suggestion to make the Beginner class a faster bump. If you trophy three times, you are bumped. Then it becomes a class where racers may move up too fast for safety.writeme All the more reason to eliminate the class designation PERIOD!!! Why wait for 3 trophies, when 6 months or a predetermined amount of races would suffice. AGAIN, there's no glory winning trophies in a beginner class, its only to get your feet wet. If you have druthers against moving up, then join the OTHG or OTMX where they have classes specifically for your age and ability.
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Post by mxrules on Jun 15, 2006 18:20:04 GMT -5
Beginner is just a name! It won't matter to me if I am in the back or the front as long as I have one rider that I am racing with. I have met a bunch of friends in the back of the pack.
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