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Post by nielsenracing482 on Jun 25, 2006 16:45:34 GMT -5
I have Race Tech Right now but i have never used anything else.
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Post by Larry63r on Jun 25, 2006 22:40:08 GMT -5
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Post by mxrules on Jun 25, 2006 23:30:25 GMT -5
Gregg Chapel it the best! Does your suspension and then he tells you he will help you dial it in. Very personable and cares for the riders.
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Post by icarus on Jun 25, 2006 23:49:14 GMT -5
www.mb1suspension.com/ ;D Founded by Former Factory Team Honda Showa Suspension Expert Mike Battista Suspension genius and a real nice guy Ricky Carmichael, Kevin Windham, Mike LaRocco, Ryan Hughes, Nathan Ramsey, Ezra Lusk, Ernesto Fonseca, Steve Lamson, Jeremy McGrath, Stefan Everts, Frederic Bolley, Mickael Pichon and Sebastian Tortelli are all notches on his belt. If he is good enough to do these guys he is definitely good enough do work on mine. He did and it is an incredible suspension and top top follow up support. I'd say PC is on par with MB1 but, in my experience, tends to be more expensive.
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Post by mxrules on Jun 25, 2006 23:51:38 GMT -5
Same product for a better price and a more personable service! Greg Chapel rules.
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Post by Mr Moto on Jun 26, 2006 0:06:57 GMT -5
If Greg made your KTM work he must have a magic wand!
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Post by Larry63r on Jun 26, 2006 0:17:58 GMT -5
Not magic. Just really good at what he does. After watching jap bikes jump sideways after hitting square edge bumps at Fernley then hitting the same bumps on my bike and going straight over them without kicking out to the side, I would have to say that Greg does great things with suspension.
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Post by teamair27 on Jun 26, 2006 0:48:42 GMT -5
RG3 is really good, my 250f can handle anything from hard hits to huge breaking bumps, we had factory connection do the suspension on my 125 and its really good over hard hits and stuff like that but it doesnt stick to the ground throug breaking bumps like the RG3 stuff does.
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Post by Mr Moto on Jun 26, 2006 16:49:54 GMT -5
Good suspension is about testing and having the understanding of how the adjusters work. Once you have an idea of what the compression and rebound adjuster do, go and do some testing on your own. You can send your suspension out to get valved for your riding ability and weight, but you need to learn how to fine tune it for your own style. In looking for a company to do your suspension find out about how much testing they do, look at some of the pro’s and see what they use or do they have a race team. You’ll find that company’s that test, offer one on one testing or have a race team will offer excellent suspension for your ride..
As of right now there are plenty of good people that do suspension and its important to find out what is the companies policy if you don’t like the set up you have received. Don’t be afraid to ask questions when picking a company to do your suspension!
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Post by beaupre716 on Jun 27, 2006 0:23:05 GMT -5
Good suspension is about testing and having the understanding of how the adjusters work. Once you have an idea of what the compression and rebound adjuster do, go and do some testing on your own. You can send your suspension out to get valved for your riding ability and weight, but you need to learn how to fine tune it for your own style. In looking for a company to do your suspension find out about how much testing they do, look at some of the pro’s and see what they use or do they have a race team. You’ll find that company’s that test, offer one on one testing or have a race team will offer excellent suspension for your ride.. As of right now there are plenty of good people that do suspension and its important to find out what is the companies policy if you don’t like the set up you have received. Don’t be afraid to ask questions when picking a company to do your suspension! I agree. You can go a long way even with stock suspension if you're willing to dial in the spring rate, sag and clicker adjustments. I never send my stuff out; we just make refinements 'til I find the right balance. When asked who did my suspension, my dad uses an old joke and tells them "It's factory Honda stuff." When they say reply "No way!" he explains that it's true--the friendly assembly-line workers at the Honda plant in Japan installed every piece for us. You can go the revalve route, but I'd recommend experimenting a bit first--if only for your own knowledge.
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Post by racergreg on Jun 27, 2006 9:50:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the props guys. The checks are in the mail.
Bobby, As Paul Thede from Race-Tech says. "The best you've ridden is the best you know"
racergreg
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Post by Bob716SR on Jun 27, 2006 11:50:37 GMT -5
Hey Greg, who is Paul Thede? B
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Post by beaupre716 on Jun 27, 2006 13:38:43 GMT -5
I've ridden all sorts of revalved suspension before, much of which was set up for riders of similar ability and weight. The set-ups worked well in some cases, but the difference was usually not night-and-day above carefully tuned stock stuff. My point was only that stock suspension can be made to work pretty well with a little refinement.
Improvements can always be made, of course, but it's my opinion that a revalve isn't mandatory for everyone.
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Post by racergreg on Jun 27, 2006 20:53:26 GMT -5
Bob, Paul Thede owns Race-Tech. Bobby, well set up stock suspension works pretty good. Generally if you fall out of the "average" that some engineer has designed the stuff for then a revalve can be helpful. For example, if you were to start racing Arenacross on your Honda. The front would probably ride too low and the bike would buck in the whoops. If you moved to Supercross you would find yourself bottoming both ends on the jump faces and the back would probably hop a little in the acceleration bumps. Or if you rode some WORCS races you would probably skitter all over because of the rocks. In general the Honda 450's are set up for the faster more aggressive rider riding a motocross track stock. If you are older and slower then they can feel harsh. If a lighter rider is coming off an 85, most 250f's are valved and sprung too stiff and should be re-done. My wrists are weak and get sore when riding if my suspension isn't set up very plush. I'm not real fast and I'm fat so it still needs to resist bottoming and not be harsh. Which I have accomplished. These are just some examples why people could use a revalve. In reality nicer acting suspension will lower your lap times a little and let you ride faster longer. However, having the suspension done and then never changing a clicker or re-checking your sag is a waste of money. It still needs to be set up. This is best done with a stopwatch and lots of testing. racergreg
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Post by Bob716SR on Jun 27, 2006 23:36:26 GMT -5
Only kidding Greg. I know who Paul is. The point is that alot of folks buy a stock bike and still thinks it needs to be re-done. Beginners, juniors, interme... See there is a break point. Bobby is smooth. Balances well. He has gotten away with alot because of his technical style. I agree, springs, valve and setup are critical. But alot of money for alot of folks just can't do it. Well I wish sometimes we had the same equiptment as some of the other Pro's. We have won are share even without it, but I do wonder sometimes... Bob
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